Wiring Connections when Adding Light Fixtures
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I am adding more light fixtures, the new lights do not work, but the original light does work, what did I do wrong? Common Wiring Problems with Light Fixtures and Dimmer Switches and How to Fix Them. © By: Dave Rongey |
Light Fixture Dimmer Switch Problem
Electrical Question: I am adding more light fixtures, the new lights do not work, but the original light does work, what did I do wrong?
I am wiring three 12Volt 50Watt halogen pendant lights over my bar, the original three lights work but only the first halogen light works.
- Light Fixture Installation Project
- The fixtures will all be controlled by a single switch.
- I have all the wires in place.
- I did a test run using 3 work lights (60 watts each).
- They all worked. Flip the switch and they all turn on, switch off and they turn off.
- The halogen lights are Kovacs pierce pendants.
- Each fixture has it’s own electronic transformer that is located after the black & white leads that go to the power source wires.
- Exiting the transformer are 2 red wires that lead to the light bulb.
- All wiring being the same as when I wired the original 3 work lights but only the first halogen light works.
- With my tester I can see that the other two lights have power leading to and running through the fixture wires, before and after the transformer but the bulbs don’t light.
- I’ve switched bulbs and switched fixtures and it is all the same result.
- Only the first fixture will turn on.
Additional Comments: Thanks for Your Help!
Background: Cheryl, a Homeowner from Kansas City, Missouri.
Dave’s Reply:
Thanks for your electrical wiring question Cheryl.
How to Fix Light Fixture and Dimmer Switch Problems
Application: Wiring Light Fixtures and a Dimmer Switch.
Skill Level: Beginner to Intermediate. This electrical work is best performed by a Licensed Electrical Contractor.
Tools Required: Basic Hand Tools and Safe Ladder.
Estimated Time: Depends on personal experience, the light fixture and access to the light fixture.
Precaution: Identify the light fixture circuit, turn it OFF and Tag it with a Note before working with the wiring.
Notice: Replacement parts for the light fixture should be compatible with the type of lamps that have been installed.
Problems with Light Fixtures and Dimmer Switches and How to Fix Them
- Checking Circuit Voltage
- I first want to make sure that of the 120 volt wires coming into the fixtures from the switch, that the wiring is made up (color to color) blacks to blacks and whites to whites, and grounds made up as well.
- I know this may sound simplistic, but sometimes these connections are not made up correctly. Then I’m wondering if you had three separate 60 watt lamps working at the same time, or was it separately?
- I would double check the connections at the first fixture junction box. It seems that there may be a loose connection involving one of the wires at the first light box.
- It ends up that 2 of the 3 electronic transformers were bad. I bought 3 new transformers (didn’t want to risk the last one quitting too). That did the trick!
- Too bad about the the transformers – very strange.
- One thing to be careful of is to not purchase opened containers that may have defective devices.
- Who knows – you may have purchased returns that were damaged by a previous customer and the store clerks just put the items back on the shelf unaware of the condition.
- It ends up that 2 of the 3 electronic transformers were bad. I bought 3 new transformers (didn’t want to risk the last one quitting too). That did the trick!
- Dimmer Compatibility with the Light Fixtures
- Dimmer switches must be compatible with light fixtures that have transformers.
- If the transformers say they are capable to dim could I put a dimmer on the wall switch?
- The switch that is mentioned says you can not use it on both incandescent & halogen.
- My only concern is the statement on the Lutron dimmer box that says it is advisable to use them on appliances with transformers. Would that include my 3 lights? I also figure if the 50 watts seem too bright I can just replace them with a 25 watt bulbs.
- As for dimming the fixtures that use transformers: The safe practice is to make sure that the transformer and dimmer specification sheets state that they are compatible with each other.
- Most of the newer light fixtures and dimmer switches have the capability to dim, but make sure just to be safe.
- Dimmer switches must be compatible with light fixtures that have transformers.
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3 Way Dimmer Switch Wiring Diagram
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Hi Sean,
This problem is happening because the wiring has been changed, most likely at the first bathroom light fixture. To correct this problem the wiring from the light fixtures to the switches will need to be identified, and then the appropriate wire connections can be created.
An electrician typically tests for the power source, and then identifies the wiring that is used for the switching process. Once this has been established the wiring connections are straight forward.
The wiring diagrams section shows how light switches and light fixtures are wired, and this may be helpful for you with your wiring problem.
Be Safe,
Dave
I have just changed two light fixtures in my bathroom. Each light fixture is controlled by separate light switches. I have wired the light fixtures the same as the old light fixtures. Now there is a problem where one light switch works one light fixture just fine, however the other light switch now turns both light fixtures on.
I have a room with 4 recessed ceiling fixtures. Most times when turning the switch on, 3 of the 4 lamps turn on. Sometimes, but not always, the 4th lamp will turn on after a minute or two. If you turn the switch off then back on, all 4 lamps turn on – this always occurs. The switch has been replaced, with no change noted. Any thoughts? Thanks, Brian R.
Hi John,
If the wiring has not been changed then I would suspect the problem to be with the lamps or the ballast. Keep in mind that most fluorescent lamps last on an average of two years, depending on the number of hours of operation. If the lamps have been allowed to burn out in the socket, then the ballast may be bad as well. I would begin by installing a new set of lamps, and then see if they light up. If not then the connected ballast may require replacement.
I hope this helps,
Dave
Hi Dave, Three of five fluorescent lights that are 4 years old have stopped working, they all worked previously. They all operate on the same switch, and the lights are arranged in in X pattern. The feed is from the switch to light one, light one to two, light one to three, four and five, with a four wire connection. Lights four and five still work. Can this be ballast interference? When I disconnect light three, the center light, lights four and five still are the only working lights.
Thank you
Hi Don,
With the light fixture turned off, check the center metal tab inside the light socket at the base to make sure it is clear of obstacles and well positioned to make contact with the center contact of the light bulb. If the light socket shows signs of damage or it is broken then it may need to be replaced.
I hope this helps,
Dave
Two of six light sockets in a dining room chandelier fixture cause the bulb to go on and off, then stay off as the bulb is screwed in. Inside the fixture, on the bottom, is a cardboard circle with a hole in the middle. What is likely to the problem?
Thank you.
Don
Hi Natalie,
The following are some tips that may help to get this circuit working:
CAUTION: Electric Panel work and testing is best performed by an experienced electrician.
Because this is a newer home it sounds like this might be an issue with one circuit, therefore it would be good to check the circuit breaker to make sure it is in fact supplying power at the screw terminal of the circuit breaker. If the exact circuit is unidentified or not labeled in the panel then testing the voltage at each 15amp and 20amp circuit breaker would be the only way to verify all are working. Many times a circuit breaker may look like it is on, when in fact it may be tripped off.
The neutral wire of the identified circuit should be checked for a secure connection into the terminal strip inside the panel.
Inside the Home:
Inspect anything that may have been recently changed within the faulty circuit and devices.
When troubleshooting a circuit problem it would be good to check the devices closest to the panel location which would be the logical route of wiring and circuit delivery.
I hope this helps you, and let us know what you have discovered.
Be Safe,
Dave
The lights and ceiling fans went out in my kitchen dining room and living room all at the same time. The house is only 2 years old. It is not a breaker issue everything else works outlets, etc. I took apart the main light in the kitchen that has the main wire box re-tightened the wires together and that still hasn’t helped. I don’t really want to take apart the ceiling fans but if it will fix it I will. It seems like their would be a simple solution but I haven’t found it yet.
Hi Eric,
Lets make sure the basics have been covered, starting with making sure that the pull chain switch for the light fixture is in the ON position. It could be that the pull chain switch is faulty, which may be discovered by testing the switch for continuity.
I hope this helps,
Dave
All 4 lights on my ceiling fan failed at once. The bulbs are good and the fan works fine.
Any suggestions?
Hi Hill,
Hearing a slight hum or buzz sound from a dimmer switch may be due to the brand and type of dimmer switch that you have. Lutron dimmers or Leviton dimmers rarely emit a hum or buzzing sound.
It would also be a good idea to make sure the dimmer switch has been properly sized for the total amount of lamp watts that is being controlled by the dimmer switch. The most common dimmer switch is rated at 600 watts, however larger watt capacity dimmer switches are available in sizes such as 800 watts up t0 1000 watts and more.
Loose mounted light sockets should be corrected to avoid an electrical short which can typically cause an electronic dimmer to stop working and need to be replaced.
I hope this helps,
Dave
We have a dimmer switch that buzzes faintly when we turn it on. We tried changing it out to a new switch but the buzzed too. The lights that it is controlling don’t make noise but one of the four does seem to be loosely mounted and flickers off occasionally. The light can’t be well visualized because they are behind a built in ceiling beam that can’t be removed. I am skeptical that the problem is with the connection at the light but I can’t figure out why the buzzing would go on at the switch. Any thoughts?
Thanks so much.
Hill
Hi Robert,
The problem is most likely not the switch, otherwise the lamps would all be on off, but lets consider some other factors that may cause the lamps in the outdoor light fixtures to go bad:
Are the light fixtures dusk to dawn or motion detector activated? If so then the light bulbs must be fully compatible, which includes incandescent and quartz lamps that are the specified type and watt size. Keep in mind that some CFL lamps do not work well with dusk to dawn fixtures or motion detector fixtures. For best results, make sure to review the light bulb requirements stated in the light fixture documentation.
I hope this helps,
Dave
Hi, I recently replaced 3 outdoor lights for my mother. After about 2 weeks 2 of the bulbs died. I replaced them about a month ago all seemed fine again. now 1 month later all 3 are dead. All of the lights are on 1 circuit. Could the problem be the switch?
Thanks for any suggestions.
Robert
I ordered a light fixture off ebay and its not CSA approved for Canada standards. It requires 12v lightbulbs. If I just change transformer to equal rated CSA transformer is it ok to use rest of light fixture since its only 12volt and from what I gather doesn’t apply to code.
Hi Snap,
When I hear about electrical wiring that is the old cloth type that is coming apart then yes, I always recommend replacing the wiring, especially if you like the house and would like it to be around for a few more years. As for troubleshooting the light fixture wiring, my process would be to identify all of the wires with the help of an externally grounded wire which will allow me to get a true reading about what is a power leg and what is not, otherwise it is easy to obtain false readings because a neutral wire can have 120 volts present as well as a power leg. It would also be good to identify the switch wiring which is best performed by turning off the power and using an Ohm meter. A key essential factor is to identify where the power source actually enters into the wiring. As all of these components of the circuit wiring are identified then the connections become clear. Keep in mind that the ceiling wiring may travel to other devices as well, so they need to be identified and tested as well.
I hope this helps you, and please consider having the home rewired.
Dave
I have a problem with a room ceiling light wiring. It is knob and tube and I cannot see the color. The switch worked before I took the light fixture off and put drywall over the plaster ceiling. It appears there are two black wires (hot) tied together and two white wires tied together (neutral). There are two remaining single wires. I put a tester to them and there is no voltage coming in. I put in a new switch and it still does not work. There is voltage coming in, as I get 110 volts when I put the voltage tester to the two tied black (hot) and the two tied white (neutral). Since the two remaining individual wires have the cloth that is rotting off, is there a short inside the wire. What can I do. I hope the answer is not to put in new wiring from the switch to the light box, as this is 1903 row house that has plaster walls and ceiling and that would be a huge job. Any suggestions on troubleshooting.
Hi Nathalie,
From what you have described about the light fixture, make sure the 50 watt halogen bulb is actually 12 volts and not 120 volts.
Dave
Hi,
I have a desk lamp with a halogen 12V, 50W bulb. The bulb burned out and I replace it with new one. Now, when I turn ON the switch, the bulb wire becomes a little bit red but not much else.
Is the new bulb faulty? Or is it the lamp?
Thanks
Bill,
If the white wire in the switch box was connected to the light switch then it was not a neutral wire, but instead it is a white wire that is being used as a switched leg. If the white wire in the switch box was not connected to the switch then the white wire may not be connected to the neutral at the preceding junction box, which may be the light fixture. Keep in mind that the wiring in a light switch box can not be used to tap into and power an additional 120 volt device unless both the hot and neutral is in the switch box.
In case anyone is wondering, NO – a ground wire should NEVER be tapped into and used as a neutral, as that would create a hazardous condition within the home electrical system.
Dave
I ran a 2 wire cable (black and white wire) from an existing junction box to a switch box to be able to power a light fixture and dimmer switch. At the switch box I spliced the white wire from cable in to the white wire going to the light box.I then connected black power wire in directly to switch.Then I connected black wire from the cable to the light fixture to the other terminal of the switch.At the light fixture white to white black to black. When I turn power back on nothing happens light doesn’t go on or off.I checked and I have power to the switch and power at the fixture. What am I doing wrong?
Hi Nicholas,
The in this example of low voltage lighting the transformers are part of each of the low voltage fixtures, and the problem was compatibility with the dimmer switch. There are however, low voltage lighting systems that must have a separate transformer installed in a location which is has the 120 volt source leading from the switch. The transformer must be sized for the watt load of the lights, and the same for the type and gauge wire that is used for the lights.
When a dimmer switch is used it must be compatible with the transformer and lamps being used.
The transformer may be purchased from Home Depot, Lowes’ or a electrical wholesale supplier, and WAC is one brand, others of the same kind should work fine as well.
Dave
I have the same problem, where did you buy the transformers? TIA
Nicholas